James Tanner: Coyotes and Blackhawks Make Trade

agreed, tanner.

chayka owns bowman.

The best blueline in the league just got better. Watch the (frank) out!

What a first line Datsyuk, Hossa oh wait....

Hinostroza can play some; if he can be consistent, he can be a legit 8/9-12 forward. Cap hit a little high if he doesn't get higher than the fourth line, but he can play some. Not as high on Oesterle, but he does have some tools.

Really, that's the bottom line. The Coyotes weren't gonna use the space that Hossa will take, and they don't have to necessarily put it on LTIR if they don't want to -- read that insurance even picks up 80 percent of the $1 million he's owed for the season.

They essentially will swap Bolland's contract coming off next season for three more years of Hossa's cap hit. I don't necessarily like it, but it's one way a team that isn't cash rich can hit the cap floor. There weren't spending the money anyway, and they got at least one body they can actually use in return, possibly two

That doesn't make Chayka a genius, but it does mean that he improved the Coyotes' talent base today, and that always matters

What about Entwistle? Didn't explore the player much. High 3rd round pick, had a hell of a playoff run. Easy to plug the trade as a win when you only hype what came back

that said, I do think it was a pretty big win for the dogs. I'm a bit jealous because JB doesn't seem able to handle making these moves.

agreed, tanner.

chayka owns bowman.
- Tumbleweed

more like Blowman.

Thank you thank you ill be here all week, remember to tip your waitress

Osterle. You were celebrating Kruger earlier and now he's nothing. Your lack of objectivity is palpable.

Vinnie is decent player, but doesn't have the size or elite hands/skill to be a top 6 winger. He should be a good addition to the Coyotes bottom 6 role. I had him pegged as L3-Wing in Chicago this year, I suspect he'll play similar level in Arizona.

Osterle is horrific. He has some offensive skill, but is overall an atrocious defensive hockey player.

Now, the D-Man the Hawks got was garbage as well as Maletta....but the Entwistle kid isn't not a piece of junk....dude is 18 years old, 6'3 and is nearly a PPG in the OHL, was a third round pick in last year's draft. Probably expendable for Coyotes, but don't pretend he has NO upside.

You prattle on about how Jordan freaking Osterle is "sneaky" and then gloss over an 18 year old 3rd round pick who has gotten rave reviews for his 200 foot game, as well as a player who continues to improve as he adds muscle to his 6'3 frame. Entwistle is absolutely a kid to keep our eyes on.

Regarding Kruger. Yep, for the better part of a year now he has looked pretty awful, washed up even. BUT, it wasn't so long ago he was a very capable bottom 6 center who could win draws, play D and kill penalties, ONE of the chief weaknesses the Hawks have. Did we address that weakness? Hard to say, but Kruger is only 28 years old, I have to think some gas is left in the tank.

Oh yea, the Hawks picked up boat load of cap space.

So you pick up a bottom 6 winger with a bit of upside, a nothing D-man, big deal. You gave us a third round 18 year old prospect and a bunch of cap space. Not sure why you think this is some sort of huge win.

Seems like a whole lot of nothing for a whole lot of nothing.

Seems like a whole lot of nothing for a whole lot of nothing.
- Lahey

It really kinda is...

Coyotes get---bottom 6 winger, a nothing D-man
Hawks get---line 4 center at best, a prospect and cap space

Osterle. You were celebrating Kruger earlier and now he's nothing. Your lack of objectivity is palpable.

Vinnie is decent player, but doesn't have the size or elite hands/skill to be a top 6 winger. He should be a good addition to the Coyotes bottom 6 role. I had him pegged as L3-Wing in Chicago this year, I suspect he'll play similar level in Arizona.

Osterle is horrific. He has some offensive skill, but is overall an atrocious defensive hockey player.

Now, the D-Man the Hawks got was garbage as well as Maletta....but the Entwistle kid isn't not a piece of junk....dude is 18 years old, 6'3 and is nearly a PPG in the OHL, was a third round pick in last year's draft. Probably expendable for Coyotes, but don't pretend he has NO upside.

You prattle on about how Jordan freaking Osterle is "sneaky" and then gloss over an 18 year old 3rd round pick who has gotten rave reviews for his 200 foot game, as well as a player who continues to improve as he adds muscle to his 6'3 frame. Entwistle is absolutely a kid to keep our eyes on.

Regarding Kruger. Yep, for the better part of a year now he has looked pretty awful, washed up even. BUT, it wasn't so long ago he was a very capable bottom 6 center who could win draws, play D and kill penalties, ONE of the chief weaknesses the Hawks have. Did we address that weakness? Hard to say, but Kruger is only 28 years old, I have to think some gas is left in the tank.

Oh yea, the Hawks picked up boat load of cap space.

Far be it for me to celebrate Bowman, because I can't stand the guy and this trade will probably blow up in our faces, but in the here and now...BOTH teams gained in this trade, quit acting like your boy genius walks on water.
- kwolf68

you guys gave up a 3rd too.

a ppg in the ohl is nothing special. but unsigned by the yotes, there may have been an issue where the yotes had to move entwhistle.

kruger became expendable when the yotes re-signed richardson. i don't believe they thought he was coming back. an expensive 4c, kruger was a cap dump at this point.

i don't know what tanner is smoking but osterle is 7d. a guy to step in when injuries happen.

agreed, tanner.

chayka owns bowman.
- Tumbleweed

Bowman raises Stanley Cup banners to the rafters of the United Center.

Chayka raises retired players numbers that never played for the Coyotes to the rafters in Gila River Arena.

Seems like a whole lot of nothing for a whole lot of nothing.
- Lahey

See, that all depends on how people value 8-12 forwards and depth defensemen.

If you're a fan of a top-heavy club and your best forwards are eating up 20-ish minutes routinely, then yeah, a guy who might not ever get higher than the fourth line isn't anything to write home about.

But if your team doesn't have those kinds of horses in the top six, then a guy like Hinostroza does provide value because you can legit play him 10-12 minutes a night.

Now, is this an earth-shattering deal? Of course not. I would hope no one is saying that.

But for the right team, if that team doesn't have enough legit 8-12 forwards AND doesn't have Top 6 horses, then Hinostroza fills a need and does have value

Retired.

That's a nice way of saying "his skin is rotting off."

Of course this trade made the Coyotes better. Chayka is a better GM than anyone else in the league and it would still be true if the second coming of Jesus Christ Himself took over as GM of, I don't know, let's say Boston.

The Coyotes went from Western Conference favorites to Western Conference favoriters, maybe even favoritest.

It's just too bad they'll lose to Toronto in the Finals. Right?

What a first line Datsyuk, Hossa oh wait....
- MaDdMuNk87

Don't forget Pronger!

Seems like a whole lot of nothing for a whole lot of nothing.
- Lahey

Except when you consider the Blackhawks will take the Hossa cap space to add another front line player.

Oooops, forgot about that, did ya?

Bowman raises Stanley Cup banners to the rafters of the United Center.

Chayka raises retired players numbers that never played for the Coyotes to the rafters in Gila River Arena.
- Katana777

bowman had is day in the sun. but he's washed up.

he's useless without cap circumventing deals and someone else's drafting to prop him up.

Except when you consider the Blackhawks will take the Hossa cap space to add another front line player.

Oooops, forgot about that, did ya?
- Katana777

So you say, but let's not count that chicken before it hatches -- last I checked, Toews is still in decline and Seabrook looks damn close to being done like dinner. No way to know if Crawford's in the net in Game 1, either

There's reasons the Blackhawks missed the playoffs last season. Moving Hossa's cap hit doesn't put out all the fires

you guys gave up a 3rd too.

a ppg in the ohl is nothing special. but unsigned by the yotes, there may have been an issue where the yotes had to move entwhistle.

kruger became expendable when the yotes re-signed richardson. i don't believe they thought he was coming back. an expensive 4c, kruger was a cap dump at this point.

i don't know what tanner is smoking by osterle is 7d. i guy to step in when injuries happen.

Ahh not really. We lost THREE years of Hossa's 5.2 million dollar salary. Kruger is off the books next year. If he flames this year, bury him n Rock for 1.5. Huge cap win to get that Hossa deal off the books.

Agree with other parts mainly. My point isn't to say Bowman got over here....poop Bowman gets over on no one, but to say Yotes won a boondoggle here is just laughable.

So you say, but let's not count that chicken before it hatches -- last I checked, Toews is still in decline and Seabrook looks damn close to being done like dinner. No way to know if Crawford's in the net in Game 1, either

There's reasons the Blackhawks missed the playoffs last season. Moving Hossa's cap hit doesn't put out all the fires
- AllInForFlyers

And where exactly did I write that it did?? Might want to re-read the thread. We were talking about this deal in particular, not the outlook for the 2018-19 season.

So you say, but let's not count that chicken before it hatches -- last I checked, Toews is still in decline and Seabrook looks damn close to being done like dinner. No way to know if Crawford's in the net in Game 1, either

There's reasons the Blackhawks missed the playoffs last season. Moving Hossa's cap hit doesn't put out all the fires
- AllInForFlyers

It doesn't and you are absolutely correct...

-Seabrook looks done
-WTF has happened to Toews
-Crow?

I think we can survive without a top flight Seabrook, but we need more than 50 points from a 10.5 million dollar center and if Crawford is not in net the Hawks are playing golf in May.

See, that all depends on how people value 8-12 forwards and depth defensemen.


- AllInForFlyers

Go look at the UFA list that is still out there. Them being involved in the trade means very little.

Except when you consider the Blackhawks will take the Hossa cap space to add another front line player.

Oooops, forgot about that, did ya?
- Katana777

Sure I did, but it's not like this is some sort of major trade.

And where exactly did I write that it did?? Might want to re-read the thread. We were talking about this deal in particular, not the outlook for the 2018-19 season.
- Katana777

I did read the thread. How in the hell are you saying you're not talking about the outlook for the 2018-19 season when you're the one saying that you're gonna use the Hossa space for a front-end player?

The Blackhawks won three Cups. They were good then. Nobody's taking that away from them

They sucked last year. After getting speed-bagged by the Preds in the playoffs the year before. No guarantees they'll be any better this year, because some of the key players are on the back nine of their careers -- I wasn't the one who healthy-scratched Seabrook last year. That was your freaking coach

Don't be so damn sensitive -- you were in the draft lottery three weeks ago. Because they sucked last year

Go look at the UFA list that is still out there. Them being involved in the trade means very little.
- Lahey

hinostoroza is 24. a lot of old junk wingers are still available...but no 24 year olds that can play.

could probably have found another cheap 7d on the ufa market.